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Post by Trptmaster on Oct 23, 2003 13:56:04 GMT -5
Ok TopGun and Eclipse. What do you think about deep freezing trumpets. Should I pay someone over $100 to Hans Solo or Ted Williams my Bb.  I have heard this process spreads out the molecules of the brass and "ages" the instrument. So if I have a new horn and freeze it maybe it will play like a 100 year old horn? What can you guys tell me about this. Is it a hoax? Does it really do anything? Thoughts? TM |
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Post by Mikey on Oct 23, 2003 14:02:37 GMT -5
I had my P5-4 done by Tenabe, and I did notice the difference. Warmer, richer sound, more core, less "stiffness" from low to high.
mikey
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Post by Skip on Oct 23, 2003 14:25:09 GMT -5
Has anyone looked into what it does to the matrix of the metal, it's affect on durability, longevity, brittleness, etc. of the horn?
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Post by trumplyr on Oct 23, 2003 14:27:53 GMT -5
Well........I'm neither Topgun or Eclipse.........but I had a "C" trumpet cryo'd a few years ago. Here's what I posted on another site:
"This particular modification/treatment seems to have a lot of advocates. I had this done to a C trumpet a few years ago and the major thing I noticed after it was done was the lightness in my wallet.
Others may have different results."
I'm not criticizing, just didn't see any difference.
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Post by LFRoberts5 on Oct 23, 2003 15:25:10 GMT -5
Spend the money and get a Valve Alignment.
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Post by Mikey on Oct 23, 2003 15:33:31 GMT -5
Perhaps I should clarify.........
I had Wayne do both a valve alignment and Cryo freezing on my P5-4..
So, i don't know if one or both made the difference. All I know is it played 10 times better when I got it back.
mikey
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Post by trumplyr on Oct 23, 2003 17:41:30 GMT -5
Wow......10 times better is a lot. I've had a valve alignment (Reeve's) done on a different horn and it helped (money well spent). For sure I'm not against changing or modifying something if it helps. I mean....I play Laskey Bach's ya know?  I don't even want to think about how many mpc's I've got in a drawer somewhere. I've heard great things about Wayne on every forum out there. Maybe I'm not good enough to pick up on subtle differences, but, on that horn for me, I didn't get any value from the process or the money spent. Others swear by it and that's great. |
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Post by Trptmaster on Oct 23, 2003 17:44:56 GMT -5
I wonder if any of the makers here on this forum use cryogenics on their horns before they are sold to the public. Does anyone know of a maker that freezes their trumpets after they are built?
TM
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Post by Tootsall on Oct 23, 2003 18:24:01 GMT -5
Wayne freezes his "Chicago Brassworks" horns as SOP. (Standard Operating Procedure).
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Post by eclipse on Oct 25, 2003 14:43:30 GMT -5
Hi All!
This is a tough one to answer as i have never had the benefit of hearing a horn and then hearing it after this process.
But i can tell you that we do not use this process, although we have been appraoached about having it done.
I have met Wayne in Germany earlier this year and having spoken to him he strikes me as a very nice honest guy with true enthusiasm.
I do not personally think that if i had the money to spend that i would be spending it in that area, but i am not by any means knocking the people who do.
The process is meant to de-stress the horn from the stress caused in the manufacturing process.(if your horns happen to have stress to start with of course)
The old idea of " they have done something to it so it must be better" also comes into play a certain amount of the time.
This takes nothing away from what Mikey has said as he may be right that his horn does play better! I couldnt say of course.
Many times Players have come to my factory and said to us " there is something wrong with my horn because it doesnt perform as it usually does"
After a quick inspection finding zero wrong with the horn, we have kindly asked the player to go get a coffee or give us a hour or so to sort the problem out.
The horn is then left in its case untouched by us until the player returns.
99% of the time the player picks up the horn goes out the back to play and comes back in delighted stating that we are amazing!! " what did we do?"
We simply state that we tweeked a bit thats all!
We of course have done nothing than to give the confidence back to the guy who was blaming the horn rather than seeing he was going through a bad patch.
They immediately imagine the horn has been put back in great order. IT WORKS
IMPORTANT NOTE
This can work wonders at times!! however it would not be such a wonder if we charged for this, as that is totally under-handed.
The fact is we have actually done nothing physically to warrant charging anything, SO WE DO NOT!!
Regards
Leigh
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Post by trumplyr on Oct 25, 2003 23:00:09 GMT -5
Hey........Placebo's for free, I love it. ;D
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Post by Notavialible on Nov 4, 2003 19:50:17 GMT -5
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I don't even want to think about how many mpc's I've got in a drawer somewhere.
