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Post by CoolBenge on Oct 23, 2003 14:34:12 GMT -5
Anybody tried the Kanstul Chicago trumpets How do they rate? Do they suffer from the same flat partials the old Benges were plagued with?
Tim
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Post by gzent on Oct 23, 2003 14:40:07 GMT -5
TIm,
Welcome aboard!
Ask Tom Turner - I think he said the Kanstul Chicago plays just like an old Chicago Benge or maybe it was a Burbank Benge? He would know.
Greg
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Post by dbacon on Oct 23, 2003 15:48:09 GMT -5
Anybody tried the Kanstul Chicago trumpets How do they rate? Do they suffer from the same flat partials the old Benges were plagued with? Tim I tried out the Chicago 1070 from Jack this summer, it's an excellent trumpet with a good scale. Blows like the old CG Benge, great Lead sound! |
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Post by camelbrass on Oct 24, 2003 4:58:08 GMT -5
Hi,
I own a Kanstul Chicago MLP (464 bore) and its a fantastic trumpet. I've played a few LA Benges but not side by side with it. My particular horn doesn't seem to have any bad intonation problems apart from that 4th line D (even thats not bad as such). The sound is definitely Benge... great lower register which lights up above the staff!! Hope this helps.
Regards
Trevor
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Post by JohnMohan on Oct 25, 2003 22:55:06 GMT -5
Any and all trumpets will have flat partials (in particular C#, D, Eb and E above middle C). This is due to the physics of sound (the harmonic series). These tones represent the major 3rd of the chord in the natural progression of notes on a trumpet when fingered with the normal valve pattern for each of these notes and as such, they must sound a bit flat (when compared to equal-temperment tuning).
If a trumpet was made that played these particular notes more in tune (and there are such horns) it is just at the expense of intonation on other notes.
There is no and there can never be a trumpet that naturally plays in tune on all notes in all keys. It's a complete impossibility. The PLAYER makes the notes in tune. Not the horn.
Sincerely,
John Mohan
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Post by trumplyr on Oct 25, 2003 23:29:46 GMT -5
 Geez John, you've just eliminated some of my best excuses. Thank you very little. 
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Post by JACKKANSTUL on Oct 28, 2003 0:00:47 GMT -5
The Chicago Trumpet was modeled after a 1947 Chicago Benge which HAD NEVER BEEN PLAYED! That's right. A player from Knotts Berry Farm was talking to a janitor that asked him if he ever heard of a Bengee trumpet. Seems this fellow bought it years ago in Chicago because he was told it would be a collectors item some day. Well at least it got in the right hands. My father's. With his knowledge and expertise he was able to make an exact copy. So now trumpet players the world over can have the opportunity to play on a real Chicago Benge. I keep them in stock for you to try. To the Music Jack Kanstul P.S. John Mohan's comment is an astute one. However if you know this thing better you can make the partials line up much better than you would think. If you don't believe me just try any Kanstul.  |
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Geez John, you've just eliminated some of my best excuses. Thank you very little. 
