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Post by romey1 on Oct 17, 2003 0:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by Nonsense Eliminator on Oct 17, 2003 10:28:45 GMT -5
Romey --
Where in NYC are you from?
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Post by romey1 on Oct 17, 2003 13:57:20 GMT -5
I grew up in western Connecticut - an hour from Yankee Stadium, and started going to Yankees games with my father in '78.
romey
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Post by Thevor on Oct 17, 2003 19:45:09 GMT -5
Rome, great pics, where you picking these up from? I like the one of the Yanks tipping one to the Bambino. I think he would have appreciated that one. Yankees, the best team money can buy, competing in the World Series with a team no one cares about. Time to start watching pro-football.
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Post by romey1 on Oct 18, 2003 11:10:02 GMT -5
CBS Sportsline.
As far as I'm concerned the ALCS was more important than the WorldSeries this year.
The Yankees/RedSox rivalry is the best in all of baseball and this years ALCS was epic. It's too bad the Cubs blew it.
Although the Marlins have no fans and they are from Florida, they are a great team who will not go down without a fight. Cabrera is most impressive as is Pudge and Beckett.
I will be watching - and any real baseball fan should too!
romey
P.S. Thank-you Grady Little!!!!!
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Post by Thevor on Oct 18, 2003 15:26:22 GMT -5
It would have been a great series with Boston/Cubs, maybe next year (wait I still have hope for the M's). It would have been a great series with Yanks/Cubs too.
I am now a Marlins fan. I will never stoop so low as to root for the Yankees (Marlins win is proof that Pudge has been on the wrong team for years..... and A-Rod deserves the Rangers). It's a shame Yankees have Jeter, A-Rod would have been a perfect fit. A player with a bloated salary and an owner always willing to buy the best club he can get.
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Post by romey1 on Oct 18, 2003 21:22:16 GMT -5
Thevor,
Thanks, but I'll keep Jeter over A-Rod.
He's more of a clutch player. Lets not forget both the Red Sox and Cubs have huge payrolls.
The Cubs are a big market team, pretending to be a small market team. The Tribune Co. has more money than Steinbrenner - they just won't spend it.
Hopefully Cub fans will "wise-up" and expect a winner after this season. You could put TrumpetMaster, BAM, and myself in the outfield in Wrigley and the place would still sell out.
romey
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Post by BAM on Oct 20, 2003 13:05:56 GMT -5
Romey1- I appreciate the props about putting me in the Wrigley Outfield. However, I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Thevor on this one. The Yankees are a team with twice the payroll of most teams, and truly are the best money can buy. The yankeees have no heart. Everywhere I go, people are always routing against the Yanks. I think everybody is sick of them buying championships. I know I am.
BAM
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Post by brewblue1 on Oct 20, 2003 18:56:04 GMT -5
I think everybody is sick of them buying championships. I know I am.It's funny how everyone complains about the Yanks buying their championships lately. But this is how its always been. The Yanks have always had more money to spend than everyone, thats the perks of being in the #1 TV market in the WORLD!! The MLB amateur draft was created to try and stop the Yanks from signing all the young players to their farm clubs. Now, there is the revenue sharing and luxury tax. Major League Baseball has been trying forever to try and keep the Yanks down, yet somehow, they keep on winning with a combination of both buying, AND developing players. Dont get me wrong here, I HATE the Yankees. But you have to give the organization credit, for when they buy a player, it usually works. Look at Texas, Baltimore and the NY Mets. They have (well Balt. had) some of the highest payrolls in MLB, but have stunk up the joint in recent years. The Yanks spent their money wisely, key word on wisely. The Tribune Co. in Chicago are the cheapest bunch of tight-wads in the game, and could easily afford a payroll of $100million. But they choose not to, and Steinbrenner does. Good for him. My point is, the Yanks are an incredible orgnization, from top to bottom. I wish my favorite team, the Brewers, had even a fraction of the know-how that the Yanks organization has. Im not tired of them buying championships, because thats the way it has always been. 26 WS banners sure means there doing something right. I would rather that the other owners of MLB teams just quit whining, and start trying to take a cue from what the Yanks have done. God, i cant believe I just defended the Yankees!!! What the hell is wrong with me!!!
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Post by Trptmaster on Oct 20, 2003 19:14:38 GMT -5
I wish I knew
TM
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Post by romey1 on Oct 20, 2003 20:50:18 GMT -5
The bottom line is that these games are played on the field. Baseball is a funny games: there are lots of variables that can affect the outcome of the game. Having the biggest payroll is not "end all" and "be all" of fielding a champion. Does it make things easier - yes - but as much as everyone like to say all the Yankees do is "buy star players from other teams" this is not true. Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, and Jorge Posada (the core of the team) are all products of the Yankee farm system. For years Baltimore had the highest payroll in the game without much fruit to bear from it. The Cubs have more money than anyone - this is just the first year they were willing to spend to field a winner. Just think if the Cubs had signed Pudge Rodriquez when they had the chance. Florida would have been out of it. Winners take responsiblity for their play on the field. Losers like the Cubs have to find "scapegoats" like Steve Bartman. As much of an idiot as he is, he's not the reason the Cubs lost. Winning managers don't get caught up in the emotion. How hard do you think it was for Torre to take the ball from Clemens in game 7, given that it could have been his last game ever? Pretty tough, but Torre knew he had a game to win. One thing's for sure Torre would have taken Pedro out much earlier if he was the skipper of the RedSox. BAM - don't be bitter because your Mariners have had GM's recently who were afraid to make moves - unless you count Jeff Nelson for Armando Benitez . If you hate the Yankees fine - just don't say the only reason they win is because they have the biggest payroll - that's a "crock." Stop making excuses. romey P.S. I went to Yankees Stadium regularly from '79 to '94 - no World Series victories those years! P.S.S. Steinbrenner is an ass, but I will say this - if other owners cared half as much about winning as he does - we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Post by Thevor on Oct 20, 2003 21:24:16 GMT -5
Romey,
Hey, I was the one who said I was the M's fan. Ohhh, try being a Mariner's fan for the last 20 years. Until 1996 they hadn't even played 500 ball and 97' with the Big Unit they almost made it to the show.
I am bitter because of the GM. The players get dogged tired by mid-season. The M's desperately needed a bat on 3rd (Mr. Cirillo batted .300 with the Pardes and never produced more than .125 with the M's) d**n, he had a glove though. The players and fans were screaming for a bat, management traded for some no-name short stop...... whoopeeee! (It ended up being a good trade though) The lack of management to boost the teams moral devistated the M's. You could see it in their play. When Nelson went public and slammed the GM for doing nothing he was traded very promptly. That spoke volumes to the team, we are "standing pat" so shut up or you'll be next. The demoralization was complete and the team saw that the front office didn't want to put any money out for the post season.
One thing the Yanks do well is fork out the dough for the temp player. Either you give up the farm or the dough its that simple. Seattle would do neither.
The sad thing is that the M's didn't believe in themselves until it was to late. Once they figured that they could win, they'de moaped so long that they lost it all to the A's and Boston. The M's pitching was devastating in the final weeks, the rest of the team seemed as if they had already packed their bags.
So who's fault is the M's demise this year, both the GM's for not ponying up and the players for being a bunch of pu$$y whiners.
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Post by romey1 on Oct 20, 2003 21:29:52 GMT -5
Thevor,
BAM is also a M's fan. Sounds like they will be getting a new GM soon. Hopefully they can move things in the right direction again.
romey
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Post by Thevor on Oct 20, 2003 21:40:52 GMT -5
It wasn't that the M's were moving in the wrong direction. They just needed a shot in the arm. I have a friend who played in the Bigs. He said the toughest thing about baseball wasn't the athleticism (everybody was on equal ground - they were all good athletes) but the mental game. Try a job where every young stud is looking to steal your job. Day after day your preformance is scrutinized......... it becomes a mental nightmare.
If the objective is to make it to the post season and you know there is 1 or 2 players not keeping up with the responsibilities and management does nothing, things can become emotional canyons for these guys very quickly. Pat Gillick was the one guy who managed to destroy the team just when they needed the emtional boost. He said, "do it with what you got." Money, like its a problem for the M's with three years of sellout crowds and the influx of Japanese money. Management just didn't want to spent it and theat was the problem with the M's and the Yanks understand really well.
Yes, you can buy a championship, it's to bad the M's didn't choose to buy one this year.
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Post by romey1 on Oct 21, 2003 13:45:29 GMT -5
I forgot Andy Pettitte in my earlier post - another Yankee farm system product.
romey
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