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Post by jamesfrmphilly on Oct 7, 2003 14:00:37 GMT -5
billybix76 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was at the Kanstul showroom in Anahiem this week and tried out several of Kanstul's M series pieces. They are exact duplicates of some very expensive ones from the northwest...I'm moaning here... (including the 'P' line). They are very, very, very close and will upset all the rules. They are silver not gold plated and machined from solid brass. but are only $65.00! But Zig and Mark have done a great job of mathcing specs on all the classic pieces and can dup anything. Ask about the 'private' library specs on the comparator...by the way I bought a B3F/41 combo that really sings on all the horns in the showroom...I Liked the Chicago 1000 best (new/old Benge 3X plus), but the Wayne B model was hot as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1-888-KANSTUL Call Charles at Kanstul. He is their national sales director and works the phones. He is a tpt player himself and know his inventory perfectly. Great to work with, but a tad overworked as he runs the showroom, retail, and national sales all at once.... www.kanstul.net ( by the way I do not work for Kanstul and have not received any compensation for this thread. I just believe in their stuff) BB76 |
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Post by Gnostic on Oct 7, 2003 17:16:38 GMT -5
The Kanstul M line is excellent . Their machining and plating are far better than Monette's. They also have very exact scanning and C.N.C. processes that enable multiple copies that are identical every time. Monette cannot do this as he does not use C.N.C. technology.
The differences between Monette and Kanstul are alloy and annealing. Kanstul uses stock brass for their mouthpieces and will not use other materials unfortunately. But the advantage to stock brass is a better blending sound with people who do not use Monette equipment. It is thought that Monette uses a higher copper alloy. Kanstul does not anneal their mouthpieces and it is thought that Monette does anneal his mouthpieces.
I am using the M line exclusively after 13 years of using Monette mouthpieces.
David
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Post by TopGun on Oct 7, 2003 20:05:36 GMT -5
Sorry double post.
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Post by TopGun on Oct 7, 2003 20:06:29 GMT -5
I am not exactly sure how Monette anneals his m-pieces but I know you can put a torch to a silver piece and get it really hot for a good while before the silver starts to give. If you want to try an annealed piece you can get someone to lite yours up. I think the key might be to let cool slowly not droping it in water. Again note, I am not sure this is what Monette is doing but it might be worth a try on an old piece.
TopGun
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Post by Gnostic on Oct 7, 2003 21:32:01 GMT -5
That's true you can torch it with pretty good results. Usually from what I have heard they will be annealed in the raw brass form either with a high temp. torch or for a more even approach they can use an annealing oven for a certain length of time and or until they turn a certain color.
You can get a decent annealing oven for about $1000. Then all you need next is a mini C.N.C. machine for about $4000-$5000, the AutoCAD program and you can make your own mouthpieces. You will also need the scan data for the mouthpieces to be made.
David
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Post by jamesfrmphilly on Oct 8, 2003 18:57:21 GMT -5
why do i want my mouth piece annealed?  |
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Post by Gnostic on Oct 8, 2003 20:06:42 GMT -5
Annealing isn't necessary, but annealing realigns the molecules for a more even, uniform and responsive sound.
A stock brass mouthpiece will do just fine as well. It's just a matter of preference.
David
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Post by jazzmanta on Oct 10, 2003 7:15:48 GMT -5
Hey Gang,
I have a B6 and B2 on the way and will post comments when I receive them. If they're close to the originals 65 bucks is a steal.
Sorry sheldon,
Trent
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Post by jazzmanta on Oct 11, 2003 10:18:45 GMT -5
My Kanstul pieces arrived today and let me say how impressed I am at these copies. They feel exactly the same externally and cup/rim wise. I don't know about internal specs because Monette varies from piece to piece (nice consistency!). I am going to take the B6 on a job tonight and test it out. I can't wait. Zig and the cats at Kanstul might have something great here! Best, Trent www.trentaustin.com |
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Post by Gnostic on Oct 11, 2003 14:57:32 GMT -5
As a point of interest about the M-line the mouthpiece sizes are collected by people who bring in a good example of the original. I brought in the B7F and B9. Make sure the original to be scanned is a very good playing mouthpiece. So if there is a certain size you wish to be added to the line you can bring in that size or sizes to be scanned. David Kanstul 1 888 KANSTUL ask for Jim New Website www.kanstul.net |
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Post by jamesfrmphilly on Oct 14, 2003 10:43:31 GMT -5
turns out, they can't do a B-5 for me because they don't have anything to copy it from.  |
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Post by Jeroen on Oct 18, 2003 4:33:40 GMT -5
Trent,
let me know what you think of the B2.
Jeroen.
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Post by jazzmanta on Oct 20, 2003 17:20:43 GMT -5
Trent,
let me know what you think of the B2.
Jeroen.
Hi Jeroen,
The B2 is absolutely fantastic. It's a great copy of the Monette (and I own a STC-1 B2 and can't tell the sound apart on recordings I've done) and for the money you can't go wrong.
I was initially looking into these pieces for some of my college jazz trumpet students. I'm looking forward to ordering a few of the lead models and checking those out, as well as a B2 Prana. Why not?
Kanstul has a VERY good thing here.
Best,
Trent
PS: feel free to email me offlist for specifics.
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Post by Gnostic on Oct 20, 2003 19:06:43 GMT -5
As a suggestion about the P line if you are ordering the heavier weight blank{STC-1}mouthpiece from the M line it is important to ask for the backbore tool to be put in until it bottoms out.
The reason for this is the model for the P line was a B6L LT P, so the standard depth will be incorrect for the heavier weight.
You will also need to ask for a 17 throat for the balance to be correct.
When ordering a LT P line mouthpiece the standard 18 throat and backbore depth is fine.
David
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Post by Trptmaster on Oct 20, 2003 19:17:48 GMT -5
Do these copies include the constant pitch center. Is it possible to clone a PRANA?
TM
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